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SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF
NEW LONDON, WATERFORD & EAST LYME
WATER POLLUTION CONTROL AUTHORITIES
MINUTES
PRESENT: East Lyme: Beth Hogan, Chairman,
Brad Kargl, Municipal Utility Engineer
Joe Mingo, Paul Formica (future Chairman)
New London: Barry Weiner, Chairman,
Aldo Valentini, Vice Chairman
Richard Kotecki, Tom Bowen, Bryon Thompson
Waterford: Peter Green, Chairman,
Neftali Soto, Chief Engineer
LOCATION: East Lyme Town Hall, 108 Pennsylvania Ave., Niantic, CT
7 PM – Upstairs Meeting Room
1. Call to Order
East Lyme Presiding Chairman Hogan called this Special Joint Meeting of the New London, Waterford & East Lyme Water Pollution control Authorities to order at 7:04 PM.
2. Approval of August 9, 2007 Meeting Minutes (held at the Waterford Utility Commission)
Ms. Hogan called for any changes or approval of the minutes of the Joint Meeting of August 9, 2007.
**MOTION (1)
Mr. Mingo moved to approve the minutes of the Special Joint WPCA Meeting of August 9, 2007 as presented.
Mr. Valentini seconded the motion.
Vote: Unanimous. Motion Carried.
3. Discussion of October 11, 2007 Review Comments from Dennis Greci, DEP concerning Draft Scope of Work (dated Rev. 8-13-07) and –
4. Revised Scope of Work – Discussion and Acceptance
Mr. Kargl said that they had met regarding the Comments (Items 1 thru 15) that Mr. Greci from the DEP had made regarding the study to evaluate capacity and performance of Piacenti WPCF and felt that they were rather small and all but one was incorporated into the ‘Scope of Work’. The one item that was discounted at this stage was the regional district concept however; they had agreed to talk about it separately.
Mr. Weiner, New London Chairman concurred that they had agreed to discuss it separately and to not incorporate it here so that they would not bog down this project. The regional concept is a good discussion for another time.
Mr. Green, Waterford Chairman agreed that they had discussed that it would be a separate study.
Ms. Hogan noted that COG has indicated an interest in this regionalization.
Mr. Mingo suggested that they send a letter to COG indicating what they are doing.
Mr. Weiner maintained that regionalization is a separate issue and for another time and not something to tie up what they are working on.
Ms. Hogan said that COG has been talking about water and sewer regionalization for some time, however she sees that as being a long way off.
Mr. Mingo said that there should be some grant money for that.
Ms. Hogan said that there is regional incentive program money available.
Mr. Weiner said that the regionalization concept would open up a whole other set of issues that would hold up this project and that they should move forward on this project now and work on that separately as it is a considerable project.
Mr. Bowen agreed that regionalization is a very separate issue.
Mr. Green also agreed with Mr. Weiner and Mr. Bowen that this ‘Scope of Work’ should be kept separate from regionalization as that issue will take longer to work out.
Mr. Bowen added that the regional approach has a number of ways that it can be handled and that there certainly could be more than just the three (3) Towns involved. It could be something like the MDC in Hartford. He added that he could also see the whole regional issue expanding so that there would be separate regional approaches for water; sewer and storm drainage.
Mr. Soto suggested that as they have to send this back to Mr. Greci to look over, that it seems that they are in agreement that they are replying to the Comments on Items 1 thru 14 and that they have incorporated those into their Scope of Work and that they have also agreed that Item 15 is a separate topic for a separate discussion.
Mr. Weiner asked if all of the comments have been incorporated into the Scope of Work.
Mr. Kargl said that Items 1, 8 and 11 were missed and noted that the following changes needed to be made/added to the Scope of Work:
à Page 2 of Scope of Work – Bottom of page – change: Project activities will be conducted in eleven (11) to read: Project activities will be conducted in seven (7)
à Page 5 of Scope of Work – Under Task 200 – Objective – Add: boundaries and after service area and before wastewater flows. . . to read: The purpose of this task is to define the service area boundaries and wastewater flows to the Piacenti WWTP.
à Page 8 of Scope of Work – Under Subtask 232 – Objective: Change the first word in the sentence - Collect to Use.
**MOTION (2)
Mr. Mingo moved to send a copy of the ‘Scope of Work’ with the changes as agreed upon and indicated to Mr. Greci at the DEP for his review.
Mr. Green seconded the motion.
Vote: Unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Weiner said that he wanted to make sure that they are all in agreement regarding the fee schedule and that whatever the final cost for the study is that the three (3) Towns will each pay one-third of the cost. He asked that if that is not the assumption that they speak now.
Mr. Green said that he thought that it was very clear that they had agreed that it would be done that way.
Mr. Mingo and Mr. Green recalled that it is in the minutes of one of their previous joint meetings that they had agreed that each Town would pay one-third of the cost.
Mr. Kargl suggested that they might not need to have another meeting as they could get the conditional approval from Mr. Greci/DEP and they have incorporated his suggestions so they may be able to go out to bid once Counsel has reviewed the language.
Mr. Bowen said that he has provided each Commission with two (2) copies of the full proposal – one to go out to bid and one for their respective Counsel to review. He said that the due dates on the bid process are usually 30-60 days from when it goes out – however; they first have to get approval from each Commission of the bid documents once reviewed by Counsel.
Mr. Green suggested that they get their legal reviews done by the end of the month or sooner and they should also hear from Mr. Greci by then and they could go out to bid and hold another meeting after that to discuss the bids.
Mr. Formica asked if they received different comments from Mr. Greci – would they have to come back and have another meeting before going out to bid.
Mr. Green and Mr. Bowen said that they would only do that if the comments are substantial in nature.
**MOTION (3)
Mr. Weiner moved that they move forward to go out to bid once they have conditional approval from Mr. Greci at the DEP and each respective Town Counsel’s approval of the bid document.
Mr. Valentini seconded the motion.
Vote: Unanimous. Motion carried.
5. Adjournment
**MOTION (4)
Mr. Mingo moved to adjourn this November 8, 2007 Special Joint WPCA Meeting at 7:40 PM.
Mr. Valentini seconded the motion.
Vote: Unanimous. Motion carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Karen Zmitruk,
Recording Secretary
East Lyme Water & Sewer
EAST LYME WATER & SEWER COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES
The East Lyme Water & Sewer Commission held a Regular Meeting on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at the East Lyme Town Hall, 108 Pennsylvania Avenue, Niantic CT. Chairman Hogan called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:05 PM.
PRESENT: Beth Hogan, Chairman, Steve DiGiovanna, Dave Zoller. Joe Mingo, Roger Spencer, Mary Cahill, Robert Gadbois, Dave Murphy, Dave Bond
ALSO PRESENT: Brad Kargl, Municipal Utility Engineer
Michael Giannattasio, Director of Public Works
Attorney Edward O’Connell, Town Counsel
Paul Formica, In-coming Chairman
ABSENT: No One
1. Call to Order
Chairman Hogan called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM.
The Pledge was observed.
Ms. Hogan called for a motion to add the Approval of the September 25, 2007 Minutes to the agenda as Item 2b.
**MOTION (1)
Mr. DiGiovanna moved to add: Approval of the September 25, 2007 Minutes; to the agenda as Item 2b.
Mr. Mingo seconded the motion.
Vote: 8 – 0 – 0. Motion passed.
2. Approval of Minutes
à Special Meeting Minutes – October 25, 2007
**MOTION (2)
Mr. Mingo moved to approve the Special Meeting Minutes of October 25, 2007 of the Water & Sewer Commission as presented.
Mr. DiGiovanna seconded the motion.
Vote: 5 – 0 – 3. Motion passed.
Abstained: Ms. Cahill, Mr. Gadbois, Mr. Zoller
à Regular Meeting Minutes – September 25, 2007
**MOTION (3)
Mr. DiGiovanna moved to approve the Regular Meeting Minutes of September 25, 2007 of the Water & Sewer Commission as presented.
Mr. Zoller seconded the motion.
Vote: 8 – 0 – 2. Motion passed.
3. Delegations
Ms. Hogan called for anyone who wished to speak under delegations.
There was no one.
4. Approval of Bills
There were none.
5. Communications
à See Correspondence Log
Mr. Kargl noted the letter dated November 6, 2007 from Denise Ruzicka, Director, Inland Water Resources Division at the DEP regarding Well 5 Operations – Consent Order DIV-1997-1008V. Of concern to the DEP is how the streamflow readings are taken and when. They are looking for more stringent recording and for weekend readings to be taken. He said that he has explained to them that the readings and the recording of them would be under more stringent means than what is being done at present.
Mr. Mingo asked Mr. Kargl if it would be expensive to get electronic readings of the stream gauge.
Mr. Kargl said that he would estimate that it would cost about $10,000 for each of the three (3) that they would have to monitor.
Ms. Hogan asked Mr. Kargl if he would read the letter as a positive or a negative.
Mr. Kargl said that he would see it as constructive and a positive.
Mr. Giannattasio noted that the letter was a constructive directive and not a punishment.
6. Benefit Assessment Committee Report
Mr. Kargl said that he has supplied them with the minutes of the meeting that they held on October 11, 2007. The new Finance Director was present and it was a meeting designed to outline what they have to do and to bring everyone up to speed on the projects that they need to get done. He noted that the Pine Grove project was the first on the list as they would have to determine the benefit assessment. Next would be the Boston Post Road project.
Ms. Hogan asked Mr. Kargl if he has an estimate.
Mr. Kargl said that a guess would be in the $13,000 range.
Ms. Hogan asked about the percentage of hook-ups that are done.
Mr. Kargl said that it could be around 30%.
Attorney O’Connell explained that Pine Grove is under the standard assessment and that Boston Post Road is under the ‘opt in’ because it was constructed by someone other that the Town.
Mr. Mingo asked how far from accepting the Boston Post Road project they were.
Mr. Kargl said that is should be very soon.
Attorney O’Connell said that he has the legal documents from the Attorney for the developer and that he is in the process of matching them up to the maps.
Mr. Giannattasio noted that there are some new homes going up and that so far the developer has not allowed them to hook in. He said that he sent the developer a letter noting that they should put forth a good faith effort but at this point in time it has not yet been heeded.
Mr. Kargl said that there are two (2) homes in question here.
7. Chairman’s Report
à Tri-Town meeting update on Wastewater Capacity
Ms. Hogan reported that the most recent Tri-Town meeting was successful and asked Mr. Kargl if they have heard anything back yet.
Mr. Kargl reported that East Lyme had hosted the most recent meeting and that a scope of work of the facility was sent to the DEP for review. The DEP sent it back with some recommendations that were incorporated into the document. The Committee approved the scope of work and a copy is being reviewed by all of the Town Attorney’s involved (East Lyme, Waterford & New London).
Attorney O’Connell said that he has spoken with the Waterford Town Attorney who has informed him that he has not yet received his packet to review. The New London Attorney has received his packet and is in the process of reviewing it. In speaking with the Attorney’s he said that they have all agreed that they should speak with ‘one voice’ and that they should meet to be able to get to that point.
Mr. Mingo said that one of the things that he sees coming out of these meetings is a discussion on the problems that they all have and how they solve them. He suggested that they should meet with the other WPCA’s a few times a year to discuss these common problems and how they handle them.
Mr. DiGiovanna said that while they want to expand the wastewater treatment plant in New London – are they permitted to do so?
Mr. Kargl said that this is the process that they are involved in now and that it has been encouraged by the DEP and at higher levels.
(Note: 7:30 PM - Mr. Bond arrived and was seated.)
à Other
Ms. Hogan said that she would like them as a Commission to start reviewing the water supply plan.
Mr. Kargl said that he could put together a summary of the water supply plan for discussion.
8. System-wide Chlorine Disinfection/East Lyme Water System – Public Information Meetings
Ms. Hogan said that they just had the first session and that there were not that many people who attended and that depending upon how many show up at next week’s session, she thinks that people are going to say that they did not know about this.
Mr. Kargl synopsized what they have done in terms of notification to the public and added that it will also be in the newspaper, in future bills and on the website and local access channel.
Mr. Mingo said that he thinks that this is all ‘much to do about nothing’ and that most of the people who have come to live in this Town came from areas that have chlorinated water and also expect that ours is the same way. They are not aware that the water is not chlorinated.
Mr. Giannattasio said that on the positive side that they could establish meetings as they go forward and explain this as they did for the Pine Grove project.
Mr. Zoller said that he thinks that the notice that was sent with the billing was a personal invitation to everyone to come to the informational sessions. The lettering was large enough so no one could say that they could not read it and he said that he does not see any excuse for anyone not knowing what is going on or complaining about it later.
9. Proposed Regular Meeting Schedule for 2008
Ms. Hogan called for comments on the schedule they had received in their packets.
The Commissioners asked that the December meeting be changed to the third Tuesday of the month due to the Christmas Holiday. This date would now be December 16, 2008.
**MOTION (4)
Mr. DiGiovanna moved to accept the Schedule of Meetings for 2008 of the Water & Sewer Commission as amended. (Attached at end of Minutes)
Ms. Cahill seconded the motion.
Vote: 9 – 0 – 0.
10. Staff Updates
a. Pine Grove Sewer Extension Project
Mr. Kargl reported that they have not seen the final bills from Ludlow or Cinami yet primarily because they have a few things to do with respect to paving and touch-ups. The final acceptance by Water & Sewer is some two (2) months or so away.
Mr. Mingo asked about other work that was done – outside of the scope of work and how it was paid for.
Mr. Giannattasio said that the work was itemized and that Public Works has paid for their share.
Mr. Mingo asked about the storm drains going to the Niantic River and the impact.
Mr. Giannattasio said that they have reduced the amount of run-off as they have reduced the pavement (impervious surfaces) and increased run-off to other surfaces that can absorb and filter it.
b. Boston Post Road Sewer Extension
Mr. Kargl said that this was previously discussed and that the review of the legal documents and mapping is currently in progress.
c. Boston Post Road Tank Painting Project
Mr. Kargl reported that the outside of the tank has been completed this week (blue paint) and that they will then go inside where they will be working on scaffolding, etc.
Mr. Zoller recalled that primer was discussed and asked if it was being used on the interior, exterior or both areas.
Mr. Kargl said that it was on the exterior where they did spot repair on white metal and then primed those spots, plus the total tank and lastly applied two (2) coats of final paint. The interior will be sand blasted and that will take it down to the metal. It will be easier to do this area as it will be in a controlled environment.
Mr. Murphy asked about the tight schedule that they were on and how that was going.
Mr. Kargl said that it was going very well and that even with the temperatures that they have had, they had been able to paint. While they can paint at no lower than 35º - they are heating the tank from the inside and this has enabled them to stay on schedule.
d. Crossley Court Sewer Extension
Mr. Kargl said that he is working on the bid specs.
Ms. Hogan asked if it is part or all of this area that would be under mandatory hook-up.
Mr. Kargl said that it is the whole area.
Mr. Mingo asked if they should hire someone on the outside to do the specs.
Ms. Cahill said that they should not be spending money.
Mr. Giannattasio said that it would not be cost effective and also, they do not have it factored into the budget.
Mr. DiGiovanna asked if they are looking at a spring start for this.
Mr. Kargl said yes and added that the people living there knew that it would not be until at least spring.
e. Brook Road Water and Sewer Extension
Mr. Kargl reported that Mr. Calkins, Sanitarian with Ledge Light has met with this neighborhood and explained that there is not a legitimate need here and that it would be quite costly to put this service in. The few issues that exist there could be solved by other means. He said that Mr. Calkins will do his follow-up survey and give them a report and that they will wait for that report.
f. 38 Hope Street
Mr. Giannattasio said that there was a request from the applicant regarding the operations and maintenance plan regarding the prohibition of pets and that it has turned out that from their marketing perspective that the ‘no pets’ has had a serious effect on their marketing of units. They would like to amend this and following discussion with management, the Chair, and the DPH, the following proposal conditions were discussed - the construction of a small dog park with an on-site maintenance plan and signage in the rear (‘no pets allowed’ in the 200’ radius around the well – public water supply area); that public notice in the Day would be made regarding this request stating that this Commission and the DPH support this change. He said that he expects that this would be done in December.
Mr. Mingo said that he was not aware that this was the case with this community and noted that with elderly people that it is almost required that they be allowed to have a pet. He asked about the pet area and if it would be fenced in.
Mr. Giannattasio said that it would be fenced in and that there would be a disposal program in place. They have also discussed having wood chips there.
g. Camp Rell Readiness Center
There was no discussion.
h. Darrow Pond Project
Mr. Kargl said that the preliminary results from the pump test are done and that they are going through the data and preparing a diversion permit.
i. Walnut Hill Development
There was no discussion.
j. Maguire Group Monthly Status Report
Mr. Kargl noted that the new items in the report are in bold. He said that the Well 2A groundwater study is done and it has been found not to be influenced by surface water.
k. Water Department Monthly Report
Mr. Kargl reported that they used 6M more gallons of water this October due to the warm weather as compared to the previous year in October.
Mr. Murphy asked about the service repairs and how this was budgeted for.
Mr. Kargl said that it is a line item in the budget.
Mr. Giannattasio looked it up and found that the usage for the line item is actually less than last year at this time and that there is no real trend for it.
Mr. DiGiovanna asked about water main replacements.
Mr. Kargl said that the cast iron piping is being looked at and that they are finding that the breaks are in areas where the piping is installed in boggy areas. He said that this is a capital improvement item.
Mr. Mingo asked about asbestos pipe.
Mr. Kargl said that they do have some of it and added that it actually holds up quite well.
l. Sewer Department Monthly Report
Mr. Kargl noted that while they used more water this October that they also had some 90,000 gallons less usage on the sewer side.
m. Regionalization Issues
There was no discussion.
n. Rates/Capital Improvement Plan
There was no discussion.
o. Prison Communications
There was no discussion.
p. Other
There was no other business.
11. New Business
Ms. Cahill said that she has been on the Water & Sewer Commission for some 26 years and that she has worked with many people during that time and for many Chairs. She said that she would like to commend Ms. Hogan for being right up with everything that has been going on and coming prepared to the meetings.
Mr. Mingo thanked Ms. Hogan for her service.
12. ADJOURNMENT
**MOTION (5)
Mr. Mingo moved to adjourn this November 27, 2007 Regular Meeting of the East Lyme Water & Sewer Commission at 8:10 PM.
Mr. DiGiovanna seconded the motion.
Vote: 9 – 0 – 0. Motion passed.
Respectfully submitted,
Karen Zmitruk,
Recording Secretary